4.10.16…..Last Friday, 30th September, the Argus lead letter was from Rob Starr, Chairman of The Starr Trust – one half of the development team, with Crest Nicholson, chosen by Brighton & Hove City Council to redevelop the King Alfred site. It is unusual for a developer to be so open and looking to speak to the public in this way. He wanted to explain why the project timetable has been put back by some months and what the silence is about.
The letter went into the print edition which people may have missed seeing. I think it is worth us all reading this and Mr. Starr has been good enough to supply the text of what he sent to The Argus for saveHOVE to reproduce here.
“Is there a delay in completion of the King Alfred regeneration Project? If there is then the delay probably started about 30 years ago.
The best way I can answer the question of further delays is to ask what is important; starting the project or completing the project? For me personally, whilst I often find the pace frustrating and the delays disappointing, it is the extra time we take now that will mean the project will be delivered on time. Surely it is the quality of the project and the completion date that are the important things and not the pace in which we work to achieve that.
The timings that have always been important to me are that we would have a year to engage with the public & complete the necessary planning agreements, and that we would complete the project by the end of 2020 and exceed everyones expectations. Those were, and remain, my aims. Right now there have been no suggestion that this will not happen. My partners at Crest Nicholson and the team at Brighton & Hove City Council are all doing their best to make sure this project is delivered as best as it can be and as quickly as possible.
Certainly we are taking more time than anticipated on the legal agreements, the financial modelling and building up the most exciting and dynamic team to deliver this project. But surely it is only correct to do all this before we start public consultations and certainly before we start physically on site. Perhaps if the previously failed schemes for King Alfred had taken as much care in the due diligence as we are taking then they would not have failed. Remember that a lot has changed in the world since we started out on this journey, so it is only correct that we take the time to adjust and correct constantly to ensure that we get it right.
Any project the size and important of the King Alfred regeneration project must be given every care and attention; we owe the site and the City that much. We always said that if we ensure we get it absolutely right from the beginning that once we physically get onto site there would be no reason for the project to be halted, delayed or at worst stopped. By taking our time now and crossing every T and dotting every I we can make sure that there can be as few surprises as possible once we start the physical work; surely that it the correct approach. This is not only true for major property development but it is equally true for work on a private house, for business projects, for charity fundraising, for arts, for sport, for education; the list goes on and on – it is said that if you fail to prepare then you prepare to fail. My partners and I will not allow this project to fail. If we need to take more time now to ensure that the project goes ahead and completes on time then I will fight for that every step of the way.
Do I find it frustrating that we have not already completed the agreements; of course. Do I find it disappointing that we are not already in consultation with the public; of course. But I would be far far more frustrated if the project had stalled half way through because we have not taken the time right now to plan it correctly.
The King Alfred regeneration project will go ahead and will exceed all expectations.
Chairman The Starr Trust”
16.9.16…..The King Alfred ballroom hosted a formal public consultation Exhibition of plans on Thursday, September 15th and again on Saturday, September 17th ahead of finalising the scheme for a planning application. Consultation forms were available and people were encouraged to use them to provide their views and suggestions. The public feedback will be collated and put into a document for inclusion as part of the set of documents for the planning application.
The designers of the Medina House proposal are Stuart Westwater and Keb Garavito-Bruhn of the architecture firm Pilbrow and Partners working to a brief from Polly Samson.
In the wake of August consultation meetings provided to small groups of people, the designers have reduced the height by a metre from 3.7m higher than existing to 2.7m. Recessed dormer windows were also removed from the roof leaving just those visible here. The apex of the roof was shaved flat (part of height reduction!!) and two roof lights added to it. Extra solar panels could also be added along that line in future but are not included now. Solar panels ARE however in the plans along the back wall area over the winter garden. There is a tree proposed for the yard. Lou Stack tells me a tree was removed from the rear of a Victoria Terrace address awhile back that “was the southernmost tree in England”. If that was right, then a tree in this sheltered spot would take that title. A tree would also soften the appearance of the brickwork if it goes above the wall or oversails it a bit.
Privacy was designed in from the off – by putting the windows higher up from the pavement, but inside too, there will be deep shelves putting space between the actual glass and interior area. On the western elevation, towards the back there are two lines of narrow, permanent shutters along with two wider actual windows with openable shutters (not sure if that is a change or was there before).
Those attending Thursday’s exhibition date were largely pleased and even keen. Criticisms included “bland”, “industrial looking” and “no privacy with queues of people in front of it waiting to buy ice cream from Marrocco”. The terracotta swag at the top of the existing sea-facing wall of Medina House was referred to as a detail wanted for the new frontage. I suggested maybe getting a stonemason to carve something into the brick. A further comment behind the Argus article showing the top image here (provided by Pilbrow), objected, saying ” it looks like a mosque”!!!
The Planning Application is due to be submitted by the end of September, 2016. The architects have had pre-application meetings with both officers and the Planning Committee (most of whom turned up for it). Feedback to them was apparently pretty minimal.
Medina House Building Condition
Medina House was built with “red rubber” bricks (a term, no actual rubber in them) and its’ four outside walls are load-bearing. By 1923 the cheap and porous bricks were already in poor condition, which is WHY the surface was rendered. That render is not original and was put there to keep the building going in 1923. They only lasted 30 years before needing that! And 1923 was 93 years ago. Pilbrow’s architects tell me that the bricks have gone “powdery” in parts of the eastern elevation. This detail supports their survey and contention that the building is beyond economic recovery and conversion.
Photos in exhibition flats this week showed some of the totally burnt out and blackened interior which two arsons inflicted. What, in truth, is there left to keep for any regeneration project? There ARE people who insist it can still be saved. So they need to provide clear and credibl evidence for their planning responses.
There are cost implications for any project here which need to be soberly considered in working out just how far past recovery Medina really is. It is known from Land Registry that Polly Samson paid OVER £1m to Sirus Taghan to acquire the site. It is chokemaking to think of him getting a penny more than he originally paid for the privilege of irresponsible ownership and negligence over 17 years – just £300,000 in 1998. Clearance, asbestos removal, securing the site, ground investigations (for a foundation), architects and PR firm fees, the planning application prep and council fee….how much more has been invested to this stage over the £1m plus paid for Medina House?
Only the back wall area with the Royal Doulton tiles still attached will be retained, for incorporation into the newbuild winter garden at the back of the courtyard. It has to be kept in order to keep the tiles. It means that the eastern elevation blue tiles will be lost as they cannot be removed from the brick wall without being lost.
A polished halo moment! We stopped Sirus Taghan building any of THESE!
I would like to put something to everyone here: David Gilmour is concerned about the heritage lamps along the Esplanade from The Meeting House cafe to Hove Lagoon. BHCC have put temporary heads on some and say there is a cost implication keeping them there. Mr. Gilmour would like to see a campaign to get this sorted; plus, what do others think of the light-colour change from warm to cold white? And is it even an option to seek a change on that front? Email saveHOVE with your thoughts please. According to one of the Pilbrow architects working on Medina, other than the new and much harsher light colour IS possible these days. The council are poor and getting poorer so any serious campaign would need to involve fundraising.
5.9.16…..In the wake of saveHOVE’s post upon first learning of redevelopment plans, we had a meeting with the architects at the Cornerstone Community Centre, Palmeira Square on August 2nd.
Six of us met with Keb Garavito-Bruhn from Pilbrow & Partners – the architects engaged by Polly Samson – and others from the project team putting this newbuild scheme into planning form. Only six could be accommodated and they were: Ruth and Barbara from Benham Court, David from Bath Court, retired architect John Small, terracotta specialist Amy Frankie Smith and Valerie. David’s ground floor flat is at the back of Bath, facing Sussex Road and Barbara’s in Benham is at current Medina House roof height. They were chosen because height had to be discussed and they were in a position to offer informed views on that as closely affected.
It was stressed to the architects that they needed to meet especially with Victoria Cottages and Sussex Road residents and they said letters had gone out to them. Unfortunately only daytime meetings were offered and this has caused a certain amount of bad feeling with residents who missed out. But the public exhibition at King Alfred, from 4-8pm on the Thursday, 15th and again from 10-2pm on Saturday, 17th ahead of a planning application means they are not being bypassed.
The Royal Doulton Tiles
It was pleasing to learn that Amy’s Fellowship paper on the Medina House bespoke Royal Doulton tiles had been read by the architects. Indeed, they will remain in touch with her as their project progresses. The proposal includes retention of the remaining tiles on the back wall area.
There is a limit to how much a building can take and still remain viable for restoration/re-use. Has that limit been reached? This is a key question which the planning application will have to answer. Loss of the existing Medina House will inevitably be resisted, as loss of the West Pier is STILL resisted, even now!
Ruth and Valerie wanted to see both the 2012 Survey of Medina House and the Planning Brief we worked so hard to achieve addressed at this meeting.
They have of course done a new survey. Keb Garavito-Bruhn, presenting to us, said that the steel joist claims from the 2012 survey were faulty and that structural issues with the outside (retaining) walls included a sunken area a metre deep and one wall with a blown out area. It is their view that the building cannot be converted/saved. The building has suffered 18 years of abuse, including two arsons since 2012, the last of which saw roof trusses removed to facilitate a roof collapse (which did not happen).
Demolition, with the ghost of Medina House made solid is what is proposed, effectively. It is clear Polly Samson (and husband David) gave the architects this brief. And a very poetic rebirth is what is proposed. Lazarus, the phoenix arisen – call it what you like – that is what we looked at.
Newbuilds which incorporate material from demolished sites is not a new thing, and when done well, keep the spirit of the old building alive. But in this case, the entire shape and detailing of Medina House is repeated, but clad in ‘chalk’ coloured brick. The clay bricks are narrow and textured. The Magistrates Court in Lansdowne Road uses it on an end wall. At the back of the filled-in pool area, the tiling is to be kept on that back wall within a glass-fronted ‘winter garden’.
The design has some elegance in spite of Pilbrow’s website showing their work to be about big, muscular, knuckle-duster blocks and towers. It is clear the Gilmours had a lot of input into this design – because it is quiet. No muscular swagger or screaming look-at-me ugliness. It is very likeable.
HEIGHT: The newbuild ‘Medina House’ was proposed to us to be 3.7 metres higher than at present. This is partly because of ground conditions so close to the sea and need to be flood free but also because of need to put windows higher up for privacy. So the ground floor inside would be raised up a bit. Nevertheless height is a contentious issue.
Strong representations were made at our meeting about this increase and it remains to be seen whether the height will come down. David and Barbara have overshadowing and views issues of some severity. Valerie went to bat for the tiny Victoria Cottages and Sussex Road homes and gardens directly behind the back wall. They are not well served with light now and planning officers have in the past indicated to Valerie that nothing higher than the present building could replace Medina House. We made it clear this was a non-negotiable issue for us. And it affects the Bath Court flats facing Sussex Road too.
ROOFSPACES: Quite a lot is expected of the newbuild, including useable rooms in the roofspace and the recessed dormer windows, along with big chimneys, are not beautiful. One of the features of the existing Medina House which gives it its unique quality and presence is its big, deep, unbroken roof. It was stressed that the house needed to accommodate extended family, blah, blah. What matters in planning terms, however, is how the building fits into the Cliftonville Conservation Area, the townscape, how it impacts on neighbours, and its long-term value, use and convertibility (to other uses than as a single dwelling), etc.
We do not forget that Polly was once said to have thought a spa on this site would be good….and many would STILL like this to be what is done with Medina House.
PARKING: There are parking spaces adjacent to Medina House in Sussex Road and there has been some discussion about trying to get them moved. It is unlikely that the applicants will pursue this.
MATERIALS: John Small asked about the bricks for cladding the newbuild. They are clay bricks, narrow and textured. Described as white, they are in fact chalk white which is creamy. Is this an appropriate material to use on this site? It is a consideration. A building that is too ‘muscular’ on this site could be overbearingly Grand. Materials contribute to the overall impression in this regard – enhancing or diminishing how imposing it would be. Indeed, Amy wondered what red brick would be like….
The Public Exhibition of Plans
King Alfred ballroom.
Thursday, September 15th from 4pm to 8pm and Saturday, September 17th from 10am to 2pm
Members of the project team will be on hand to discuss the scheme and how it has changed since we met with them on 2nd August.
16.9.16 …..Slight change to title for this already published post, with material added – photos of the site area and needed comment on the nearly invisible Ethel Street traders hidden away behind Goldstone Villas one way and a bank of parked cars and trees the other.
Whilst taking these pictures, I paid a visit to the single-storey Ethel Street traders – mostly in garages or converted garage spaces, although the northern end is development from not long ago. This little hive of activity has been overlooked as it has quietly grown there. It has charm that needs investment on its access path to improve amenity. Today I spoke with the case officer, Kate Brocklebank, who has been to the site to take her own photos for the file and she noticed this tucked-away line of businesses for herself. I identified the four to her that I spoke with who she can now add to the register. Some, however, have Goldstone Villas addresses. There is a 96 Goldstone Villas garage here as well as a 96 Ethel Street business. It would be sensible to detach these legally from Goldstone Villas and give them Ethel Street addresses and wider use-class designation to help traders and regularise things. Whatever, their presence is valuable and not to be overlooked when it comes to assessing the impact of the proposals. Their premises are all single aspect – facing west. They are already in considerable shade (in a charming way, actually), but losing skylight would impact them terrifically.
The variety of work going on is magic. A quite smart design & print firm is at one end, an ornate plaster moulding studio sits by a bicycle repair shop, a motor garage, etc. They MUST be protected and not lose the daylight to their single aspect entry areas. The Daylight Assessment in this application needs to be given serious attention by everyone there and in the low-rise flats between Livingstone House and Goldstone House (Two 10 storey towers to the south).
The entire Clarendon & Ellen Estate could lose its access/egress privacy on the Ellen Street side if this application is consented. But residents lettered have ignored the application!!!
The stretch of Ethel Street from Ellen up to Conway has the potential to become a seriously amazing oasis with small traders and a treed ambience conducive to just hanging out. The application proposes a retail component facing these traders. But losing the London Plane trees put there about 10 years ago by the council when seeking to discourage flytipping in the area beside the shed. The application seeks their removal and building right up to the pavement edge (natch). Why is this totally unacceptable, trees or no trees?
The Brighton & Hove Bus Company
The garages and offices occupy most of the north side of Conway Street. The 2012 plans to relocate to Hollingbury fell through – promoted by Roger French, the plans died when he retired. THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THEM TO LEAVE. This creates serious issues for the proposed redevelopment and for Ethel Street. For many, many years the residents of Livingstone House have had their nights and air quality ruined by the buses parking the length of Ethel Street, often with engines left running and spewing exhaust. The print studio at 96 Ethel Street suffers too now. Often there very late into the evening they have both that and anti-social behaviour (drug dealing) to put up with outside their door.
But how would prospective residents of this proposed mega-tower of 188 flats cope with the fumes and running motor noise? And the proposed retailer? It would kill trade if it involved food. Where are the letters from Livingstone House residents on this? The planning office need to be informed of things like this.
One day, it would be nice to have the section of Ethel Street from Ellen up to Conway become part of a hospitable and pedestrianised little oasis just by the steps down from Hove Station. Could be really cool. The trees are already there. All that’s needed is to move the buses and design something more appropriate for the shed site than is currently planned. Do you agree? Please put in a consultation response to firstname.lastname@example.org (but DO have a quick look at material in links below).
22.8.16…..The formal deadline for responses to this application is just a few days away (26th August) but it is unlikely to be decided for a long while after that so DO look at the Planning Statement and the Design & Access Statement first to get to grips with what is offered. Email your view of it all to email@example.com
An awful lot of activity is proposed for this site. Can Hove Station handle another 200 or so commuters each morning – the flats are aimed squarely at incomers needing easy commuter access. What about schools and other infrastructure. What is available locally that they could plug into?
Consultee responses are now posted online with application documents. There are already a couple of notable ones. A huge sum is recommended be demanded towards education for that part of the Section 106 obligation. And the comment from Environmental Health gives this application a stinging thumbs down. You have to read it. She recommends Refusal.
Perhaps the biggest issue for existing residents is access from the surrounding streets. Vehicle access is ONLY from Fonthill Road to the north or from Ethel Street or between Conway Court and Clarendon House along Clarendon Road to the south. When the 1960’s demolitions occurred, many little linking streets were abolished to make way for the five 10-storey blocks and commercial sheds behind them. It thoughtlessly and effectively made of the semi-industrial area something of an island site. This is a major problem for redevelopment again now. Look carefully at the Transport Statement. Read the Transport Statement 1 and Transport Statement 2 for claims and have your say!
What is proposed would replace just the single shed area (containing 3 tenants) in front of the bus station and beside its bus park by the Agora – not a big space at all. But note from this photo the impact on Ethel Street businesses and Goldstone Villas housing that a tall building would have. This sunlight would become deep shade. To the north there is just the station and bus depot to lose sunlight, but Clifton Court just to the top of the photo, opposite the pub, could also be affected. Certainly, all these buildings you see here would be dwarfed. Read the daylight assessment claims. Do you agree? Can you prove otherwise?
Residents of Goldstone House could expect to see some light loss to the bedrooms facing north. Residents of Livingstone House will see some light loss to kitchens, located on the north side, facing north, especially during summer evenings as the sun sets. The scale of how huge this is can be seen in this section drawing looking east from Fonthill Road. Bus Station to the left and a terraced house in Clarendon Road to the right.
So. 188 flats, offices, a little retail. It’s an awful lot for this tiny site, but the incentive for the council to agree comes from the City Plan Pt 1 which forces this area (up to Old Shoreham Road) to allow hundreds of dwellings to be put there (by order of Planning Inspectors). Tall building guidance advises mixed use for tall buildings that puts commercial activity at ground level, with housing above. The small amount of retail is sited on the Ethel Street frontage facing the trees you can see in the photo. Hidden away.
The design is like a series of angular silos all mooshed up together in one huge unbroken mass, made to look more broken up, with varying height areas, more ‘organically’ like a normal townscape where things get built over long periods of time, the whole enclosing its ‘garden’ in the middle.